Chris Spangle travels to Porcfest in the north of New Hampshire to podcast with his League of Liberty friends Marc Clair of Lions of Liberty, Johnny Rocket of Blast Off, and Rodger Paxton of the LAVA Flow. Chris also interviews Jess Mears, the Development Director of the Libertarian Party, on why being a member of the LP is a worthwhile investment. Check out Chris’s Porcfest photos here.

Chris Spangle and Harry Price discuss what is actually happening at the border and how libertarians ought to approach the issue of both immigration and child separation.

Show Notes

• Links – https://www.facebook.com/notes/we-are-libertarians/collection-of-news-on-the-immigrant-child-separation-at-the-border/1973239722707175/

1. Recap the story with WaPo and Vox.

2. How should we view government and policy? What are the values we care about as a country? This isn’t an immigration story.
Every time you vote, it is imperative to understand the human cost of the policies that are enacted. Yes, individuals choose their behavior, but governments set up environments with perverse incentives.

3. How did we get here?
– The US government begins a war on drugs in the 1970s because Nixon wants to weaken his political enemies, specifically dope smokers and blacks. This policy causes gangs to profit off of a black market like alcohol prohibition in the 1930s. The military interventions by the US in the 1980’s destabilize Central and South American countries further. Populations reject colonialism by electing populist dictators that promise to solve their ills. Instead, these dictators are bought off by cartels. Massive amounts of cash lead to massive amounts of weapons, which leads to violence.
– Illegal immigrants operate on the black market for drugs because they cant get work legally. They get locked up in prisons with Bloods, Crips, and White Supremacist gangs.
– The Latin Kings and MS-13 are created to protect themselves. They serve their time and get sent back to their home countries. They take over the country like cockroaches. MS-13 was started in LA by a group of Salvadorans in the 1980’s.
– Legalizing weed then starves the cartels, so they turn to human trafficking as that black market grows in the last decade.
– For decades, immigrants to America were mostly young men trying to find work so they can send money home. Now it is largely families, women, and children fleeing violence while avoiding involvement in gangs or slavery. Pre-teen girls migrate to avoid grooming gangs. Most choose America because of our economy and security. Leaving their home makes them social pariahs in their hometown or marks them or family members for further violence.
– Now we are turning our back on them. Asylum
– When we do admit them, we abuse them. Detention.

4. Moral Corrosion
‪The most disturbing thing about the child separation issue is that immigrants aren’t human beings to a large portion of this country. Patriotism doesn’t require seeing people from other nations as “others” or less than. That’s sociopathic.

Empathy is part of American exceptionalism‬. The government does evil things on a regular basis and it’s an extension of us, paid for by us, carried out by Americans, but shouldn’t be accepted when discovered. Ending evil and bringing liberty and safety are key parts of what makes America great in the scope of history.

Beauracracy stories.

Useful Idiots supporting

6. What Is So Different About These Immigrants?
“We don’t need to let all these different cultures in this country.” You mean LATIN Americans with the Catholic culture? Literally the same languages, religion, and bloodline as Europeans? Can’t let all these religious pro-lifers with an entrepreneurial spirit in.

Human Beings

7. Future of this policy
Trump just walked off his most popular initiative in the North Korea summit only to shoot himself in the foot due to the way he chooses to enforce this law. (Yes, this existed previously but he has been much more aggressive with it. If he thought it was immoral, he could end it.) If I were a Republican, I would be so tired of losing.

Fox News Poll

8. To the Left:
I’ve repeatedly said that Democrats and the media should tone down the hyperbole over petty Trump dramas that don’t matter because there will come a time when something is genuinely wrong and no one will care because every day is a new overblown BS issue.

To all of the liberals and media members that think every word or action from Trump is LITERALLY HITLER… Thanks. You’re a central cause of most people dismissing AP fact checks and shrugging at childhood trauma being weaponized to “own the libs.”

Crafting public opinion carries life and death consequences, and no one is taking it seriously.

9. To the Right:
Trump is a person without character. He may do things that I like, but the moral cost of supporting someone wholesale that does immoral things leads one to a place of immoral beliefs. Arguing for state terror against immigrants by separating 2000 kids from their parents would be what I have been talking about. That is the administration’s number since starting their zero-tolerance policy crafted by Stephen Miller.

Should we enforce laws, yes. Should we do it in an immoral way? No. Traumatizing children to send a message to citizens in other nations is an immoral act. The morality doesn’t change because a government or a law says it’s ok. It’s contrary to the idea of American exceptionalism. Yes, previous administrations had similar policies, but this has been taken to a new level, hence the outrage. It isn’t just because Trump is President. Do some basic research.

If your values change because your party is in the White House, then they aren’t values. True principles are constants that are used to correct the entropy of human behavior. When you use the Bible, the most significant instrument of human liberty to justify terror, you’re lost.

7. Opinions on Borders
Look at the cruelty of closed borders.

Chris Spangle, Matt Wittlief, and Dakota Davis discuss attending a Jordan Peterson lecture. Who makes up the crowd? What does he talk about? Why do people hate him? What makes 2,500 people show up to hear a Canadian lecture about the perception of reality on a Friday night? We also discuss how one determines their personal values.

Chris Spangle, Chris Gault, and Paul Copeland discuss the summit between Kim Jong Un and Donald Trump. We consider the positives and negatives of Trump’s strategy. We then give details on the Inspector General’s report of James Comey’s conduct during the 2016 election. We then look at two ways that the left is driving moderates into the arms of Donald Trump.

Show Notes

• The Bizarre Trump-Kim Summit – https://www.fff.org/2018/06/11/the-bizarre-trump-kim-summit/
• Pelosi vs. Peace – http://thegarrisoncenter.org/archives/13781
• Lawmakers looking at what comes next after Trump-Kim summit – https://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/US-politicians-not-yet-toasting-Trump-Kim-summit-12987440.php
• The Angry Left Is Turning Me Into A Trump Supporter – https://forward.com/opinion/402998/the-angry-left-is-turning-me-into-a-trump-supporter/
• How to Lose the Midterms and Re-elect Trump – https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/13/opinion/trump-midterms-robert-de-Niro-samantha-bee.html
• Report Criticizes Comey but Finds No Bias in F.B.I. Decision on Clinton – https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/14/us/politics/fbi-inspector-general-comey-trump-clinton-report.html
• BOMBSHELL: FBI Agent Said He’d Make Sure Trump Was Never President, Texted ‘We’ll Stop It’ – https://www.dailywire.com/news/31856/bombshell-fbi-agent-said-hed-make-sure-trump-was-ben-shapiro

Chris Spangle talks about his struggles with depression, why does someone like Anthony Bourdain kill himself, what does depression feel like, how does one lift out of depression, and why our society is causing more people to commit suicide.

Show Notes

• Why Alone? Why WAL is different?
• Anthony Bourdain – Why?
• My story
• What does depression feel like?
• What are the signs of depression
• Depression vs the blues
• Depression after College
• Why does someone kill themselves?
• What are some warning signs a friend is in trouble?
• How do you lift yourself out of it?
• What are the six pillars of self-esteem?
• What are the elements of attraction?
• What are the values of our culture?
• When was the last time you asked yourself what’s important and what you value?
• Do those answers match your behavior?
• We are all glass houses living in fear of rocks.
• We are uncomfortable with intimacy and vulnerability.

Links

• 30 Books To Heal Depression and Codependency and Grow Emotionally – https://chrisspangle.com/30-books-heal-codependency-grow-emotionally/
• How to Fight Depression and Suicidal Thoughts –https://chrisspangle.com/how-to-fight-depression-and-suicidal-thoughts/
• Six Pillars of Self-Esteem – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B007JK9BAY/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1
• Six Pillars of Self-Esteem – https://experiencelife.com/wp-content/themes/expb3/images/PDFs/PhilosophersNotes-PDFs/70-the-six-pillars-of-self-esteem.pdf
• Brene Brown – https://brenebrown.com/
• What causes depression? – https://www.health.harvard.edu/mind-and-mood/what-causes-depression
• Inside A Suicidal Mind – http://puckermob.com/moblog/inside-a-suicidal-mind
• A survey of Dartmouth’s political and free speech climate – http://www.thedartmouth.com/article/2018/05/a-survey-of-dartmouths-political-and-free-speech-climate
• Why can’t we hate men? – https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/why-cant-we-hate-men/2018/06/08/f1a3a8e0-6451-11e8-a69c-b944de66d9e7_story.html?noredirect=on&utm_term=.025c89333776
• Vital Signs: Trends in State Suicide Rates — United States, 1999–2016 and Circumstances Contributing to Suicide — 27 States, 2015 – https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/67/wr/mm6722a1.htm
• Posting a hotline number isn’t enough. Break down doors to prevent a suicide – http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-schroeder-suicide-prevention-20180612-story.html
• Depression vs The Blues – https://psychcentral.com/lib/depression-versus-the-blues/

Signs and Symptoms of Depression

If you have been experiencing some of the following signs and symptoms most of the day, nearly every day, for at least two weeks, you may be suffering from depression:

• Persistent sad, anxious, or “empty” mood
• Feelings of hopelessness, or pessimism
• Irritability
• Feelings of guilt, worthlessness, or helplessness
• Loss of interest or pleasure in hobbies and activities
• Decreased energy or fatigue
• Moving or talking more slowly
• Feeling restless or having trouble sitting still
• Difficulty concentrating, remembering, or making decisions
• Difficulty sleeping, early-morning awakening, or oversleeping
• Appetite and/or weight changes
• Thoughts of death or suicide, or suicide attempts
• Aches or pains, headaches, cramps, or digestive problems without a clear physical cause and/or that do not ease even with treatment

Elements of Attraction

Mate: What Women Want. – https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00RTY0FKK/ref=dp-kindle-redirect?_encoding=UTF8&btkr=1

• The Tender Defender
• Material Proof
• Aesthetic Proof – fashion signals intelligence, social ability, and resources.
• Mental & Emotional Health
• Intelligence
• Willpower & Conscientiousness
• Social Proof
• Romantic Proof
• Physical Health

Chris Spangle, Chris Gault, and Rhinehold discuss the limits of outrage culture. Roseanne, Kathy Griffin, Samantha Bee, Masterpiece Cakes, and Donald Trump all have tested our collective patience. What led to the rise of outrage culture and where does it end?

Show Notes

• Ep. 1173 The Supreme Court Christian Baker Case Is Crazy – https://tomwoods.com/ep-1173-the-supreme-court-christian-baker-case-is-crazy/
• Kathy Griffin Tells The Story You Haven’t Heard Of Donald Trump’s Scary Response To THAT Photo! See The Powerful Twitter Thread! – http://perezhilton.com/2018-05-31-kathy-griffin-donald-trump-photo-twitter-thread-aftermath-abuse-of-power#.WxnnIVMvwWo
• Masterpiece Cakeshop, Ltd. v. Colorado Civil Rights Commission – http://www.scotusblog.com/case-files/cases/masterpiece-cakeshop-ltd-v-colorado-civil-rights-commn/
• Supreme Court rules in favor of baker who refused to make a same-sex wedding cake – https://www.vox.com/identities/2018/6/4/17424804/masterpiece-cakeshop-supreme-court-baker-ruling-gay-wedding-cake

Chris Spangle and Rhinehold discuss why the Libertarian Party isn’t working through the lens of a recent Chair’s debate on Lions of Liberty between Nick Sarwark and Joshua Smith. They discuss common misconceptions on how the party works and how to fix them. They also review the strengths and weaknesses of both candidates.

Lions Of Liberty Debate – http://lionsofliberty.libsyn.com/348-lnc-chair-debate-sarwark-smith-and-dearn

264: The Libertarian Party vs. Ron Paul? – https://wal.fireside.fm/370

In the first episode of our “The Swamp, Explained” series, Chris Spangle and Rob Quartel go in depth on how Washington works.

They discuss the origins of the EPA, the roots of bureaucracy, and what Washington thinks of Gary Johnson by telling the story of Rob’s career. Rob has lived and worked in Washington DC for 40 years. He worked for the EPA and the Ford and H.W. Bush campaigns. Check out his resume here: https://www.linkedin.com/in/rob-quartel-5291553/

Have questions for Rob? Email us – editor@wearelibertarians.com

Chris Spangle and Harry Price explain the Iran Nuclear Deal and the ramifications of leaving it, and we give first impressions on the 2020 Libertarian Party Presidential race. Bill Weld also clarifies his stance on guns and the “vouching for Clinton” comment.

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Chris Spangle, James Nease, Justin “Juice” Kelly, and Shane Jones of the Juice in the Morning join us to ask questions. After a recent appearance, Juice and Shane had some questions about politics so we answer them. We begin with the difference between and Anarchists and Libertarians, then we discuss the opioid epidemic and the Chinese dress controversy.

Chris Spangle and Harry Price examine the Alfie Evans case and discuss the potential of peace in North Korea.

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Chris Spangle and Harry Price discuss the censorship of Philip DeFranco on YouTube, the new community guidelines of Facebook, and we answer listener letters on gun rights and gun background checks.

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Chris Spangle, Harry Price, and Rhinehold discuss the conversation over Starbucks, the new Authorization for the Use of Military Force, and the future crime software of Palantir.

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Chris Spangle and Brian Nichols discuss the ethics of Sean Hannity, ask if Starbucks is systemically racist, what will be the effect of the bombing in Syria, and we discover where your taxes went.

Brian Nichols Show – https://briannichols.fireside.fm/
Chris Spangle Show – https://chrisspangleshow.fireside.fm/

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Chris Spangle and Harry Price discuss American options of the Syrian conflict, the FBI’s raid on Trump’s Lawyer, and many other news stories including knife control in Britain.

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Chris Spangle and Dr. Mary Ruwart discuss the human toll of regulations placed on the drug industry by the FDA. Dr. Ruwart has a new book out titled Death by Regulation: How We Were Robbed of a Golden Age of Health and How We Can Reclaim It. Learn more at https://www.deathbyregulation.us/.

Chris Spangle and Chris Gault talk about Trump’s recent decisions to kill drug dealers, place tariffs on China, fight with Amazon, and place troops on the border.

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Chris Spangle and Harry Price discuss the left and right argument over propaganda in the Sinclair Broadcasting must-reads and Laura Ingraham boycott. They also discuss the ending of the PragerU lawsuit and the FBI’s desire to end phone encryption.

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Chris Spangle looks into the effect of social media and smartphones on our brain. Spangle then speaks to Minds.com CEO and co-founder Bill Ottman. Minds.com is a free-speech platform that seeks to cure the problems of the major social platforms. The episode ends with “How a handful of tech companies control billions of minds every day” by Tristan Harris and Quit social media by Dr. Cal Newport. (more…)